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Title: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: Muinasjutumaja on April 18, 2010, 11:28:27 AM
I was watching Michael Jacksons Ghosts today and what I found is quite shocking for me.Though I am not sure the skeleton who`s dancing is really him.It was created by using dots in his body that somehow reacted with the light and was connected to the camera and then by using a skeleton they got it moving...confusing ? If the skeleton is him then you have to remember a thing, the autopsy ? an extra rib ? So if I am not day dreaming and if the skeleton in ghosts is really his then he does not have an extra rib and that means the autopsy is false and the body was not his.Because as you see he has 12 on each side and no extra one.....
Give  me your thoughts ? ;)
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: loyalfan on April 18, 2010, 12:12:23 PM
well spotted
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: miss j on April 18, 2010, 12:19:50 PM
IMO, the skeleton is a 3D model, so it didn't mean it was his. MJ's movement was used to animate the skeleton, that's why he had all these dots on him, to capture all the movement from muscles. that's how 3D animation works.
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: DancingTheDream on April 18, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
Where does it say he had an extra rib in the autopsy???

I think you are referring to the 7th cervical bone??..  this is in the neck area, not the ribs.
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: Muinasjutumaja on April 18, 2010, 12:46:27 PM
It was some page that I read today that he had an extra rib bone,trying to find it.And I also heard some time ago that it was actually his skeleton ..but ...it was heard from the ``source`` again...
lol I guess I am still day dreaming  :lol:
But anyways it would have been great though  8-)
I did read the autopsy but I have a memory of a 80 year old so ..yeah  :lol:
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: Magic Tricks on April 18, 2010, 06:52:58 PM
I think that in the Making of Ghost (a video on YT) there is a part where the creators of the skeleton said that indeed they created a skeleton that resembles michael's skeleton...
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: Magic Tricks on April 18, 2010, 07:29:31 PM
Quote from: "Magic Tricks"
I think that in the Making of Ghost (a video on YT) there is a part where the creators of the skeleton said that indeed they created a skeleton that resembles michael's skeleton...

Here is the video

[youtube:2awz6dqj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2t5nhmq7V8[/youtube:2awz6dqj]

If you go to 5:12 to 5:19 They say that the SKULL is literally make like Mjs skull... I dont know if the rest of the skeleton resembles Mjs..
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: voiceforthesilent on April 18, 2010, 07:41:49 PM
Quote from: "Magic Tricks"
Quote from: "Magic Tricks"
I think that in the Making of Ghost (a video on YT) there is a part where the creators of the skeleton said that indeed they created a skeleton that resembles michael's skeleton...

Here is the video

[youtube:1l17zwno]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2t5nhmq7V8[/youtube:1l17zwno]

If you go to 5:12 to 5:19 They say that the SKULL is literally make like Mjs skull... I dont know if the rest of the skeleton resembles Mjs..

One would have to ask - if they went to the trouble of making a skull like MJ's, why wouldn't they do the rest of his skeletal frame?
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: michaelsupporter on April 18, 2010, 07:42:17 PM
If you recall, MJ did have a full body scan at one point. Perhaps much of this was fashioned from those films????
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: mjj29081958 on April 18, 2010, 09:45:49 PM
Quote from: "miss j"
IMO, the skeleton is a 3D model, so it didn't mean it was his. MJ's movement was used to animate the skeleton, that's why he had all these dots on him, to capture all the movement from muscles. that's how 3D animation works.

I think that too... But I must confess that compare a Michaels video with the autopsy report never crossed through my mind!  :D
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: jessicakthx on April 19, 2010, 02:15:44 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Where does it say he had an extra rib in the autopsy???

I think you are referring to the 7th cervical bone??..  this is in the neck area, not the ribs.

Exactly.

I've tried to explain this numerous times since the autopsy came out but no one wants to listen. The autopsy is NOT referring to an extra rib, people. It is referring to the C7 vertebra.

Quote
C7 or vertebra prominens: The most distinctive characteristic of this vertebra is the existence of a long and prominent spinous process, hence the name vertebra prominens. In some subjects, the seventh cervical vertebra is associated with an abnormal pair of ribs, known as cervical ribs. These ribs are usually small, but may occasionally compress blood vessels (such as the subclavian artery) or nerves in the brachial plexus, causing ischemic muscle pain, numbness, tingling, and weakness in the upper limb.


SIGH.  :roll:

Anatomy lesson:

Cervical Ribs - The cervical ribs, when they are present, are usually ankylosed by their tubercular processes to the diapophyses of the vertebrae, and by their capitular processes to the parapophyses. With these processes they form a broad loop on either side of each cervical. The tubercular processes extend slightly outward as well as downward from the facets, and in this way increase the total width of the neck. The shafts of the ribs extend backward, practically making right angles with the plane of the capitular and tubercular processes. The shafts, and in fact the entire ribs, are composed of interlocking plates. Near the junction of the shafts and the articular processes the latter are comparatively stout. They are long, and in the few cases in which they are preserved, they extend for considerable distances behind the posterior borders of the centra. They taper rapidly, and at their distal ends are exceedingly slender.
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: mjfansince4 on April 19, 2010, 02:19:11 AM
if we believe the autopsy to be fake.....why do we keep referring back to it?
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: simalves on April 19, 2010, 02:01:36 PM
This is good.

Considering 3d animation is so good nowadays. Could parts of TII be computer animation?? I did wonder if Michael was ever green screened in with the dancers. Maybe they use computer animation of him at some interviews or other publicity videos too and that is why there are differences in the features.
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: mjj29081958 on April 19, 2010, 04:15:20 PM
Quote from: "jessicakthx"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Where does it say he had an extra rib in the autopsy???

I think you are referring to the 7th cervical bone??..  this is in the neck area, not the ribs.

Exactly.

I've tried to explain this numerous times since the autopsy came out but no one wants to listen. The autopsy is NOT referring to an extra rib, people. It is referring to the C7 vertebra.

I’ve explained this before as well.

Whether it’s the real deal or not, the Autopsy states:

(http://i42.tinypic.com/zmdz4w.jpg)

It does mean, he actually has an extra rib, a.k.a “Cervical Rib” attached to the right side of the 7th vertebra "C7 or Vertebra Prominens" (Put your head as down as you can, like looking to the floor. You're gonna easily touch it in the back side of your neck, because is huge!), where there are no ribs normally.

Extra ribs are in the neck area, just above the first one.
 
Mostly of people don’t have them, some have just one (e.g this report), some have a pair. And you wont know if you have one or a pair of them till Doctor see them in a X-ray exam of your chest.

You explain this very well in your own post so I’m not sure why do you keep saying “autopsy is NOT referring to an extra rib”. See what you posted:

Quote from: "jessicakthx"
Quote
C7 or vertebra prominens: The most distinctive characteristic of this vertebra is the existence of a long and prominent spinous process, hence the name vertebra prominens. In some subjects, the seventh cervical vertebra is associated with an abnormal pair of ribs, known as cervical ribs. These ribs are usually small, but may occasionally compress blood vessels (such as the subclavian artery) or nerves in the brachial plexus, causing ischemic muscle pain, numbness, tingling, and weakness in the upper limb.


SIGH.  :roll:  
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: jessicakthx on April 19, 2010, 04:33:51 PM
Quote from: "mjj29081958"

You explain this very well in your own post so I’m not sure why do you keep saying “autopsy is NOT referring to an extra rib”.



My bad. By that I meant that they're not talking about an extra rib in the actual ribcage like many people are thinking.
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: MJmakesmespeechless on April 19, 2010, 04:44:34 PM
Quote from: "miss j"
IMO, the skeleton is a 3D model, so it didn't mean it was his. MJ's movement was used to animate the skeleton, that's why he had all these dots on him, to capture all the movement from muscles. that's how 3D animation works.

Yes i think this is exactly but this was a very good find though!!!
Title: Re: Ghosts ? The answer ?
Post by: mmz on April 19, 2010, 06:00:56 PM
For as I know about animation, I doubt they used michael jackson real skeleton shape.That is just an illustrated animation..
But I must make compliments for the post...it makes me understand how deep we are trying to go investigating!!!
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