CONVERSATION 1 

2 between Dave Schwartz and Evan Chandler: 

3 

4 MR. CHANDLER: — discuss why it might 

5 be harmful. 

6 Suppose I’m right? I mean if Michael 

7 loves [tape irregularity] Lisa at least want to 

8 hear my opinion about why what’s going on could be 

9 potentially harmful? If you love somebody, you 

10 don’t want them to get hurt. 

11 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you want to talk it 

12 in front of Jordy, about that? 

13 MR. CHANDLER: Huh? 

14 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you want to talk 

15 about that in front of Jordy? 

16 MR. CHANDLER: Oh, yeah, absolutely. 

17 He has to be there. 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

19 MR. CHANDLER: He has to be there, and 

20 one of the reasons that he has to be there is 

21 because he’s always gonna remember it. Somebody 

22 has to be the — there’s gotta be some one person 

23 that later on in life he can look back on and kind 

24 of pattern himself after someone or have some 

25 structure for his own existence, based on — he’ll 

4 

1 look at me, and he’ll say, “Yeah. He was honest, 

2 he had integrity, he had respect. I could trust 

3 him. He never lied to me,” all that kind of stuff. 

4 He may hate me now. He may not be able 

5 to articulate all of those things in his own head 

6 right now, but when he sees it, it’ll be in his 

7 head, and when he’s old enough there will be those 

8 things that will be important to him. Hopefully 

9 I’ll be able to portray those things to him, 

10 because I think they’re important. 

11 I also think it’s incredibly important 

12 to have somebody else in your life that really 

13 loves you and you really love them because if 

14 you’re [tape irregularity] happy. 

15 I’ve never seen a single solo, isolated 

16 human being who was truly happy – 

17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

18 MR. CHANDLER: — and that’s what’s 

19 going to happen to Jordy. 

20 I think that’s June’s situation. 

21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: June has nobody. You 

23 tell me who June has. You tell me who June has who 

24 really loves her, who she really loves back, you 

25 can’t think of one person. 

5 

1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, I can. 

2 MR. CHANDLER: Who? 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Gloria. 

4 MR. CHANDLER: Gloria. 

5 MR. SCHWARTZ: Really. 

6 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

7 inaudible.) 

8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Gloria, Nadine or Florence. 

9 She’s pretty close with her friends. 

10 MR. CHANDLER: Nah, she’s – 

11 MR. SCHWARTZ: She’s — wait. 

12 MR. CHANDLER: She believes that – 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: She’s close with you. 

14 MR. CHANDLER: — four or five cups of 

15 caffeine in the morning and gets on the phone and 

16 yaps (inaudible) all day, you commiserate about 

17 their miseries – 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: But, you know, here’s 

19 the whole thing. We can’t, you know, I can’t put 

20 her down that all she’s doing is hanging out. It’s 

21 not so horrible. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: That what? 

23 MR. SCHWARTZ: That, you know, I mean, 

24 she’s into hanging out. 

25 MR. CHANDLER: Hanging out is okay. 

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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: I know. She’s – 

2 MR. CHANDLER: Hanging out’s kind of a 

3 benign thing. She’s not hanging out anymore. When 

4 she stopped hanging out – 

5 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

6 MR. CHANDLER: — and became actively 

7 destructive in Jordy’s life is when I stepped in 

8 and when I decided I have to do something about it. 

9 I tried to talk to her about it, Dave, 

10 on several occasions. 

11 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, we know she’s hard 

12 to talk to. 

13 MR. CHANDLER: Well, if you could — if 

14 you could — yes. I mean, that’s unquestionable. 

15 She is impossible to talk to. And I’ve never 

16 really — I mean, I’ve gotten angry with her many 

17 times and – 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

19 MR. CHANDLER: — [tape irregularity] 

20 long as you’ve stepped in – 

21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: — the issue has never 

23 involved potentially harming Jordy for the rest of 

24 his life – 

25 MR. SCHWARTZ: [Tape irregularity.] 

7 

1 MR. CHANDLER: — issues over Jordy 

2 before that I’ve backed down – 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

4 MR. CHANDLER: — because you asked me 

5 to or whatever the reason was – 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

7 MR. CHANDLER: — and I’ve never 

8 been — I’ve never been that set on pursuing it 

9 until now because I truly believe this will damage 

10 him for the rest of his life. And she will 

11 not — and I’ve told her that, and I’ve tried to 

12 talk to her about that – 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

14 MR. CHANDLER: — and she’s not willing 

15 to talk to me about it. 

16 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

17 MR. CHANDLER: She doesn’t even want to 

18 hear what might be harming him. 

19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

20 MR. CHANDLER: She doesn’t want to 

21 even know — she doesn’t want to hear any words. 

22 MR. SCHWARTZ: What if – 

23 MR. CHANDLER: “Get out of my face. 

24 Don’t even mention that.” That’s not an issue for 

25 her. 

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1 I mean, what kind of person is that? 

2 If — I stopped taking that personally. 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, we all have 

4 different ways of coping. 

5 MR. CHANDLER: You see, as an adult, 

6 coping’s no excuse. That’s like driving drunk and 

7 saying, “I’m sorry, but I didn’t realize there was 

8 a law against driving drunk” and you just ran on 

9 the sidewalk. 

10 The fact is you’re a responsible adult. 

11 You’re supposed to have some sense and judgment, 

12 and that’s how it’s going to go down. 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. How about if you, 

14 June and I get together? 

15 MR. CHANDLER: No. Why do you keep 

16 doing that? 

17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because I don’t — I 

18 don’t want to subject Jordy to this until — I 

19 mean, I feel very uncomfortable – 

20 MR. CHANDLER: Let me put it to you 

21 this way: I have a set routine of words that I’m 

22 going to go in there that have been rehearsed and 

23 I’m going to say. 

24 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

25 MR. CHANDLER: Okay? Because I don’t 

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1 want to say anything that could be used against me. 

2 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

3 MR. CHANDLER: So I know exactly what I 

4 can say. That’s why I’m bringing the tape 

5 recorder. 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

7 MR. CHANDLER: I have some things on 

8 paper to show a few people – 

9 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

10 MR. CHANDLER: — and that’s it. My 

11 whole part is going to take two or three minutes, 

12 and I’m going to turn around [tape irregularity], 

13 and that’s it. There’s not going to be anything 

14 said, other than what I’ve been told to say – 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

16 MR. CHANDLER: — and I’m going to turn 

17 around and leave, and they’re going to have a 

18 decision to make. 

19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

20 MR. CHANDLER: And based on that 

21 decision, I’ll decide whether or not we’re going to 

22 talk again or whether it’s going to go further. 

23 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

24 MR. CHANDLER: I have to make a phone 

25 call. As soon as I leave the house, I get on the 

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1 telephone. 

2 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

3 MR. CHANDLER: I make a phone call. 

4 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

5 MR. CHANDLER: Say “Go” or I say, 

6 “Don’t go yet,” and that’s – 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

8 MR. CHANDLER: — the way it’s gonna to 

9 be. 

10 I’ve been told what to do, and I have 

11 to do it. 

12 I’m not — I happen to know what’s 

13 going to be going on, see? They don’t have to say 

14 anything to me. [Tape irregularity] “you have 

15 refused to listen to me. Now you’re going to have 

16 to listen to me. This is my position. Give it a 

17 thought.” 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

19 MR. CHANDLER: “Think it over.” 

20 I’m not saying anything bad about 

21 anybody, okay? I’ve got it all on paper. 

22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

23 MR. CHANDLER: I’m going to hand out 

24 the paper so that I don’t inadvertently [tape 

25 irregularity], handing out the paper, “Michael, 

11 

1 here’s your paper. June, here’s your paper.” 

2 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

3 MR. CHANDLER: “Compare papers. Read 

4 this whole thing. This is my feelings about it. 

5 Do you want to talk further? We’ll talk again.” 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

7 MR. CHANDLER: “If you don’t” [tape 

8 irregularity] — but, see, all I’m trying to do 

9 now, they have forced me to go [tape irregularity] 

10 on paper and give it to them to read – 

11 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

12 MR. CHANDLER: — because [tape 

13 irregularity]. I mean, isn’t that pitiful? 

14 Now, why would they want to cut me out, 

15 to go this far, spend this much money, spend so 

16 much time in my life crying, being away from my 

17 practice, not paying [tape irregularity] everybody 

18 else? Why would they want to put me through that? 

19 And I made it very clear to June that she was 

20 putting me through that because I didn’t want any 

21 misunderstandings. I’ve done everything I could to 

22 appeal to her. (Inaudible) is cold and heart- – 

23 absolutely cold and heartless. That’s all – 

24 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, maybe on the 

25 surface it appears like that, but I – 

12 

1 MR. CHANDLER: I know on the surface 

2 June is charming – 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: No, no. I think on the 

4 surface it might appear cold, but I don’t — I 

5 don’t agree with that. 

6 MR. CHANDLER: Dave, “Go **** yourself” 

7 is not a surface reaction. 

8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. Have you 

9 ever — you mean you have never done that, right? 

10 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

11 inaudible) and they say “Go **** yourself,” that’s 

12 not a surface – 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: You’ve never done it? 

14 MR. CHANDLER: — sorry. 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: You’ve never done it? I 

16 mean, have you ever got pissed at a friend and 

17 gotten in an argument for three weeks? 

18 MR. CHANDLER: No, no, no. 

19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Never, ever? 

20 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

21 inaudible) — like that, Dave, not consistently 

22 like that. 

23 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well – 

24 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

25 inaudible) — so far as to go to say, “Okay. 

13 

1 Forget about me. This is what’s going on with 

2 Jordan. This is my concern,” and have her say “Go 

3 **** yourself” again. So [tape irregularity] there 

4 I said, “This is not a human being I’m dealing with 

5 anymore.” 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, let me ask you 

7 this — I mean, did you give Jordy any ultimatums? 

8 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. 

9 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. Because, see, 

10 that’s how he feels trapped, I think. 

11 MR. CHANDLER: Too bad. 

12 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, why — I mean – 

13 MR. CHANDLER: All he has to do is talk 

14 to me about it. 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: I know, but how can 

16 you — I mean, you know what you could do — I 

17 mean, couldn’t you approach it like saying, “Jordy, 

18 this is how I feel. This is why communications is 

19 important. We gotta discuss this.” 

20 MR. CHANDLER: This is what I said to 

21 Jordy. I said, “What if I asked you not to do 

22 something?” That’s how I put it. 

23 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

24 MR. CHANDLER: He said, “I wouldn’t 

25 care.” 

14 

1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

2 MR. CHANDLER: That’s what he said. 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, what’s wrong with 

4 that? 

5 MR. CHANDLER: What’s wrong? 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. I mean, what is 

7 wrong with that? 

8 MR. CHANDLER: Well, let me ask you 

9 this: Never in his life, ever, would he 

10 have — did he ever respond that way or would he 

11 have ever responded that way – 

12 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

13 MR. CHANDLER: — which means that 

14 something has happened inside of him and in his 

15 life that is now making him respond to me in a 

16 totally different way. What has happened to him? 

17 His mother’s changed, and Michael’s in his life, 

18 and you weren’t there to balance it out. And 

19 that’s it. 

20 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right, and I wasn’t 

21 there, and you’re right. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. 

23 MR. SCHWARTZ: I wasn’t there to 

24 discuss it with him. 

25 MR. CHANDLER: So the whole thing 

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1 happened. 

2 MR. SCHWARTZ: Right. 

3 MR. CHANDLER: And that’s it. 

4 MR. SCHWARTZ: So blame me. 

5 MR. CHANDLER: Oh, I’m not blaming you. 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: But it is my fault. 

7 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

8 inaudible). 

9 MR. SCHWARTZ: It’s my fault. I wasn’t 

10 there to – 

11 MR. CHANDLER: No, no. You don’t 

12 understand. We’re gonna see whose fault it is. 

13 And I’m gonna tell you: It isn’t up to you to 

14 decide whose fault it is or up to me to decide 

15 whose fault it is. Other people who are trained to 

16 [tape irregularity] whose fault it is are going to 

17 make that decision, and I’ll bet you anything that 

18 they don’t decide that it’s your fault. You’re not 

19 going to get blamed, and you can go and say 

20 whatever you want. No one’s [tape irregularity] 

21 they may say, “That’s very nice. Get the **** out 

22 of here, and let’s get down to the real issues,” 

23 but that’s it. That’s what’s going to happen. I’m 

24 not getting blamed and you’re not getting blamed. 

25 And that’s — I mean – 

16 

1 MR. SCHWARTZ: But no one should get 

2 blamed. I mean – 

3 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

4 inaudible) talking about bottom line because that’s 

5 what it’s really going to come down to – 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

7 MR. CHANDLER: — bottom line, no one’s 

8 gonna give a **** about you in this issue. 

9 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

10 MR. CHANDLER: So when you tell me that 

11 I should blame you, that’s not the bottom line. 

12 That’s not how it’s going to be seen (simultaneous, 

13 inaudible). 

14 MR. SCHWARTZ: But does there have to 

15 be where someone’s at fault? Can’t it be where we 

16 just work it out? 

17 MR. CHANDLER: Well, you see — yeah. 

18 That’s why I tried to get in touch with them, to 

19 (simultaneous, inaudible) work it out – 

20 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, well, but 

21 that’s — wait. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: — but they don’t want 

23 to talk to me. 

24 MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. Well, that’s not 

25 true. That is not true. 

17 

1 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

2 inaudible) till tomorrow – 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Have you ever gone 

4 through a period where you just didn’t — wait. Of 

5 course you have. Of course you have. 

6 MR. CHANDLER: Dave – 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: When I screamed at 

8 Monique to get you to call me. 

9 MR. CHANDLER: So what? That was one 

10 day. Two days. 

11 MR. SCHWARTZ: But it didn’t 

12 matter — it can’t count the days. 

13 MR. CHANDLER: Well, I have to count 

14 the days because I can’t let it go on forever. 

15 By the way, they’re going on tour on 

16 August 15th. They’re going to be gone. They’re 

17 going to be out of the country – 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

19 MR. CHANDLER: — for four months. 

20 MR. SCHWARTZ: Is that bad? 

21 MR. CHANDLER: Well, I’m not going to 

22 be able to communicate with them about this when 

23 they’re gone, am I? 

24 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, but you think 

25 that – 

18 

1 MR. CHANDLER: By the way, they’re not 

2 going. 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

4 MR. CHANDLER: They don’t know that 

5 yet, but they are not going. 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

7 MR. CHANDLER: So, I mean, especially 

8 if they don’t show up tomorrow, they’re definitely 

9 not going. They’ll be lucky if Michael even – 

10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Let me ask you — let me 

11 ask you this – 

12 MR. CHANDLER: — tour (inaudible) get 

13 canceled. 

14 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, let me — let me 

15 ask you this: I mean, why can’t you meet — why 

16 can’t we meet after I get off work? 

17 MR. CHANDLER: Because – 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: I mean, why not? What’s 

19 the difference? 

20 MR. CHANDLER: Seems to me it’s not 

21 important enough for you to take off work to be – 

22 MR. SCHWARTZ: It is important enough, 

23 but I still – 

24 MR. CHANDLER: **** your job. 

25 MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait, wait. 

19 

1 MR. CHANDLER: It’s still going to be 

2 there at 8:35. This whole thing’s going to take 

3 five minutes. 

4 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

5 MR. CHANDLER: I’ve already told you I 

6 have — I’m not allowed to say anything more – 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

8 MR. CHANDLER: — than I’ve already 

9 prepared. It’s on paper. 

10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Is it your – 

11 MR. CHANDLER: I’m not going in to – 

12 MR. SCHWARTZ: Is it because of your 

13 attorney? 

14 MR. CHANDLER: What? 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because of your 

16 attorney? 

17 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why don’t we meet at 

19 your attorney’s office? 

20 MR. CHANDLER: Well, that’s something 

21 we can do if we get past tomorrow. 

22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

23 MR. CHANDLER: He’s willing to meet 

24 with them. Right now he’d like to kill them all. 

25 I picked the nastiest mother-****er I could find. 

20 

1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

2 MR. CHANDLER: The only reason that I’m 

3 meeting with them tomorrow is, the real fact of the 

4 matter is – 

5 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

6 MR. CHANDLER: — because of Monique. 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

8 MR. CHANDLER: Monique begged me to do 

9 it. 

10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

11 MR. CHANDLER: She said, “You’re out of 

12 control” – 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Can Monique be there? 

14 MR. CHANDLER: Tomorrow? 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

16 MR. CHANDLER: She wanted to be there, 

17 but – 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: I want her to be there. 

19 MR. CHANDLER: I wouldn’t let her. 

20 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why? Why not? 

21 MR. CHANDLER: Because June hates 

22 Monique. 

23 MR. SCHWARTZ: That’s not true. 

24 MR. CHANDLER: Well, you know 

25 something? 

21 

1 MR. SCHWARTZ: That is not true – 

2 MR. CHANDLER: Now – 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: — at all. 

4 MR. CHANDLER: Well, really! Well, 

5 then that makes Jordy a liar, and that makes 

6 Michael a liar. 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why? 

8 MR. CHANDLER: They both told me that 

9 Monique — that June – 

10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait. You can’t see 

11 that whole thing? 

12 MR. CHANDLER: What? 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: That’s woman jealousy. 

14 MR. CHANDLER: I don’t care what – 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: It doesn’t matter – 

16 MR. CHANDLER: The problem is you’re in 

17 love with her so you keep on making excuses. 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait, wait. 

19 MR. CHANDLER: I’m not in love with her 

20 anymore. I don’t even like her anymore. 

21 MR. SCHWARTZ: You don’t know about 

22 female jealousy? 

23 MR. CHANDLER: I don’t care about that. 

24 MR. SCHWARTZ: That has nothing – 

25 MR. CHANDLER: (Inaudible) Dave. 

22 

1 That’s pathologic. I don’t want that affecting – 

2 MR. SCHWARTZ: That’s not pathologic. 

3 That is the bottom line. 

4 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

5 inaudible) pathologic. I don’t care what the 

6 reason is. I don’t care. I’m not playing 

7 psychiatrist and analyzing. 

8 MR. SCHWARTZ: But why wouldn’t you 

9 want Monique there? I would feel much more 

10 comfortable. 

11 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

12 inaudible), that’s why. 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Pardon me? 

14 MR. CHANDLER: Because June hates her, 

15 so I don’t want to – 

16 MR. SCHWARTZ: She does not hate her. 

17 MR. CHANDLER: Of course she hates her. 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: She totally respects her 

19 and doesn’t hate her. 

20 MR. CHANDLER: Well, then, Jordy is a 

21 liar and Michael (inaudible) – 

22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Wait, wait. 

23 MR. CHANDLER: — because they told me 

24 verbatim, together – 

25 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah? 

23 

1 MR. CHANDLER: — that June hates 

2 Monique. 

3 In fact, they went even further and 

4 told me several of the things that June said about 

5 Monique. 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

7 MR. CHANDLER: Okay? Now, maybe they 

8 went back and told June that Monique said things 

9 about her and – 

10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

11 MR. CHANDLER: — (inaudible) lied. 

12 Maybe they’re lying. I don’t know. But knowing 

13 June, I don’t think that they lied. I think 

14 they’re telling me the truth. 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

16 MR. CHANDLER: And I want Monique out 

17 of this completely. 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

19 MR. CHANDLER: Because all that will 

20 happen is that June will convince Jordy that 

21 Monique’s a bad person and by her presence there 

22 she must have put me up to this whole thing – 

23 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

24 MR. CHANDLER: — and June will 

25 fabricate some great lie – 

24 

1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Ahhh. 

2 MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, 

3 inaudible) I’m only going there because of Monique, 

4 because, to tell you the truth, Dave, it would be a 

5 lot easier for me and a lot more satisfying – 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

7 MR. CHANDLER: — to see everybody get 

8 destroyed – 

9 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

10 MR. CHANDLER: — like they’ve 

11 destroyed me, but it would be a lot easier. 

12 And Monique just kept telling me, “You 

13 don’t want to really do this,” and she finally 

14 [tape irregularity] for the sake of everything that 

15 we’ve all had in the past – 

16 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

17 MR. CHANDLER: — to give it one more 

18 try, and that’s the only reason, because this 

19 attorney I found — I mean, I interviewed several, 

20 and I picked the nastiest son of a bitch – 

21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: — I could find, and all 

23 he wants to do is get this out in the public as 

24 fast as he can, as big as he can – 

25 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

25 

1 MR. CHANDLER: — and humiliate as many 

2 people as he can, and he’s got a bad [tape 

3 irregularity] – 

4 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think that’s 

5 good? 

6 MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, 

7 inaudible) he’s costing me a lot of money. 

8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Do you think that’s 

9 good? 

10 MR. CHANDLER: I think that’s great. I 

11 think it’s terrific. The best. Because when 

12 somebody — when somebody tells you that they don’t 

13 want to talk to you – 

14 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

15 MR. CHANDLER: — you have to talk to 

16 them – 

17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

18 MR. CHANDLER: — you have to get their 

19 attention. It’s a matter of life and death. 

20 That’s how I’m taking it. I have to talk to them. 

21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: This is life and death 

23 for my son. I have to get their attention. If I 

24 don’t get it, if I haven’t gotten it on the phone 

25 and I don’t get it tomorrow – 

26 

1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

2 MR. CHANDLER: — this guy will 

3 certainly get it. That’s the next step. And you 

4 want to know something? I even have somebody after 

5 him if he doesn’t [tape irregularity]. But I don’t 

6 want [tape malfunctioned]. I’m not kidding. I 

7 mean what I told you before. 

8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

9 MR. CHANDLER: It’s true. I mean, it 

10 could be a massacre if I don’t get what I want. 

11 But I do believe this person will get what he 

12 wants. 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

14 MR. CHANDLER: So he would just really 

15 love [tape irregularity] nothing better than to 

16 have this go forward. He is nasty, he is mean – 

17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

18 MR. CHANDLER: — he is very smart 

19 [tape irregularity], and he’s hungry for the 

20 publicity [tape irregularity] better for him. 

21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: And that’s where it’ll 

23 go – 

24 MR. SCHWARTZ: You don’t think everyone 

25 loses? 

27 

1 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

2 inaudible) totally humiliate him in every way – 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: That — everyone doesn’t 

4 lose in that? 

5 MR. CHANDLER: That’s not the issue. 

6 See, the issue is that if I have to go that far – 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

8 MR. CHANDLER: — I can’t stop and 

9 think “Who wins and who loses?” 

10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

11 MR. CHANDLER: All I can think about is 

12 I only have one goal, and the goal is to get their 

13 attention – 

14 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

15 MR. CHANDLER: — so that [tape 

16 irregularity] concerns are, and as long as they 

17 don’t want to talk to me, I can’t tell them what my 

18 concerns are, so I have to go step by step, each 

19 time escalating the attention-getting mechanism, 

20 and that’s all I regard him as, as an 

21 attention-getting mechanism. 

22 Unfortunately, after that, it’s totally 

23 out of [tape irregularity]. It’ll take on so much 

24 momentum of its own that it’s going to be out of 

25 all our control. It’s going to be monumentally 

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1 huge, and I’m not going to have any way to stop it. 

2 No one else is either at that point. I mean, once 

3 I make that phone call, this guy’s just going to 

4 destroy everybody in site in any devious, nasty, 

5 cruel way that he can do it. And I’ve given him 

6 full authority to do that. 

7 To go beyond tomorrow, that would mean 

8 I have done every possible thing in my individual 

9 power to tell them to sit down and talk to me; and 

10 if they still [tape irregularity], I got to 

11 escalate the attention-getting mechanism. He’s the 

12 next one. I can’t go to somebody nice [tape 

13 irregularity]. It doesn’t work with them. I 

14 already found that out. Get some niceness and just 

15 go **** yourself. 

16 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

17 MR. CHANDLER: Basically, what they 

18 have to know, ultimately, is that their lives are 

19 over, if they don’t sit down. One way or the 

20 other, it’ll either go to the next step or the 

21 [tape irregularity]. I’m not stopping until I get 

22 their attention. 

23 Do I [tape irregularity] the only goal 

24 is right now I have to do what I think is best for 

25 Jordy – 

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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

2 MR. CHANDLER: — and I think what’s 

3 going on now is bad for Jordy, and therefore any 

4 alternative is better. 

5 If I’m wrong, they should sit down, and 

6 they should tell me why I’m wrong. 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

8 MR. CHANDLER: But – 

9 MR. SCHWARTZ: So wouldn’t you sit down 

10 with me, and we could discuss it first? 

11 MR. CHANDLER: No, because you don’t 

12 know the issues. 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, but you could tell 

14 me. 

15 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

16 inaudible) totally ignorant of all the issues. 

17 No. There’s really no way you could 

18 relate these to somebody, you know. 

19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah? Well, sure you 

20 could. 

21 MR. CHANDLER: Like it’ll get related. 

22 It’ll get related, you know. You’ll see it. 

23 You’ll see it, and it’s not going to be up for me 

24 or you to decide. 

25 MR. SCHWARTZ: Can you meet him here at 

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1 work? 

2 MR. CHANDLER: Oh, no. I’m going to 

3 meet at the house. 

4 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why can’t you meet here? 

5 MR. CHANDLER: Well, for one thing, 

6 Michael has to be there. 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. Michael will 

8 come. 

9 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

10 inaudible) won’t be at Rent a Wreck. 

11 MR. SCHWARTZ: Michael would come here. 

12 MR. CHANDLER: Well, how do you know 

13 that? 

14 MR. SCHWARTZ: I’ll see. I mean, if 

15 he’ll come here, will you do it here? 

16 MR. CHANDLER: No. Why? 

17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Because it’s easier for 

18 me. 

19 MR. CHANDLER: So you could be at work? 

20 MR. SCHWARTZ: No. So I don’t have to 

21 leave. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

23 inaudible) signals. 

24 MR. SCHWARTZ: Pardon me? 

25 MR. CHANDLER: You keep giving me 

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1 these – 

2 MR. SCHWARTZ: It’s not crossed 

3 signals. I’m telling you it’s — I’m here every 

4 second. It’s difficult to get away. 

5 MR. CHANDLER: Well, you have to get 

6 your priorities – 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but my priority is 

8 this, but, I mean, you can compromise for me. 

9 MR. CHANDLER: (Simultaneous, 

10 inaudible) tell me this is very difficult choice, 

11 you know, your children or your work. 

12 MR. SCHWARTZ: Hey, it’s not a 

13 difficult choice. 

14 MR. CHANDLER: Well, then – 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: But it’s just – 

16 MR. CHANDLER: — the issue, then. Be 

17 it – 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: It makes it — wait. 

19 What’s the difference – 

20 MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, 

21 inaudible) work by 9:00 o’clock. 

22 MR. SCHWARTZ: What is the difference 

23 for you? I mean, it makes it easier for me. Is it 

24 different for you? 

25 MR. CHANDLER: Yeah. 

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1 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. Why is it 

2 different? 

3 MR. CHANDLER: What if I told you their 

4 house was wired? 

5 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

6 MR. CHANDLER: Does that make a 

7 difference? 

8 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. 

9 MR. CHANDLER: I’m not saying it is. 

10 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

11 MR. CHANDLER: I’m just saying, “What 

12 if it was?” 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah, well – 

14 MR. CHANDLER: Would that — would 

15 you — could you see the [tape irregularity]. 

16 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. Then you want to 

17 record it. 

18 MR. CHANDLER: Let’s just say that it 

19 is. 

20 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

21 MR. CHANDLER: Let’s just say that. 

22 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. 

23 MR. CHANDLER: I’m not saying it is. 

24 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. 

25 MR. CHANDLER: But let’s just say that 

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1 it was. Okay? That would make a difference. 

2 (Inaudible)? 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. You got to do me 

4 one favor. 

5 MR. CHANDLER: What? 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. The way we’ve 

7 just talked is completely — the way you’ve sounded 

8 is completely different than when I talked to you 

9 the first time. I mean, you gotta be – 

10 MR. CHANDLER: Well, (inaudible) 

11 talking tomorrow, Dave. 

12 MR. SCHWARTZ: Pardon me? 

13 MR. CHANDLER: I told you, it’s all on 

14 paper. 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

16 MR. CHANDLER: That’s why I’m bringing 

17 a tape recorder. 

18 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, but are you going 

19 to be calm like this? 

20 MR. CHANDLER: I have nothing to say. 

21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

22 MR. CHANDLER: I’m not going to be 

23 calm. I’m not going to be anything. I’m not going 

24 to be — I’m going to be totally void of anything. 

25 I’m just going to say, “Look. Here’s something for 

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1 you guys to read. You read it. You think it 

2 over.” 

3 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

4 MR. CHANDLER: “If you want to sit down 

5 and talk, we can all meet in my attorney’s office.” 

6 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

7 MR. CHANDLER: “If you want to tell me 

8 to go **** myself, then just let me know that” – 

9 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

10 MR. CHANDLER: — “and I’ll let him 

11 know that’s what your feelings are.” 

12 MR. SCHWARTZ: Well, why do you – 

13 MR. CHANDLER: — and that has 

14 to — that has to happen before 12:00 o’clock 

15 tomorrow. They have to make that decision – 

16 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. And let me ask 

17 you this – 

18 MR. CHANDLER: — (simultaneous, 

19 inaudible) don’t hear from them about it, then the 

20 wheels start – 

21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Why do you have to have 

22 Jordy there, if all we’re going to do is read it? 

23 MR. CHANDLER: I tried to explain that 

24 to you. 

25 MR. SCHWARTZ: No. If we have to read 

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1 something. 

2 MR. CHANDLER: Because I explained that 

3 to you. I want him to see how I’m behaving. 

4 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

5 MR. CHANDLER: I want him to see how 

6 I’m acting. 

7 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. And why do you 

8 have to have Michael there? 

9 MR. CHANDLER: What’s that beeping 

10 going on? Do you hear that? 

11 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

12 MR. CHANDLER: Are you recording this? 

13 MR. SCHWARTZ: No. 

14 MR. CHANDLER: Do you hear the beeping? 

15 MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah. 

16 MR. CHANDLER: Well, let’s hang up. 

17 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. 

18 MR. CHANDLER: Okay. 

19 MR. SCHWARTZ: Bye.