Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators is dedicated to investigate the circumstances of the Michael Jackson Hoax Death.
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Just a short message to welcome you on the homepage of the Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators website! Please allow us to let us introduce you to the site.
We recently installed a new forum, but our previous forum (MJKIT) is included in this site as an archive. Do not worry, your posts are not deleted, everything is still there! We have a brand new chatroom with a video gadget (the playlist will be renewed on a regular base) and the site contains our blog, for those who are interested.
There is a news section with all the latest on Michael Jackson.
We really hope you enjoy the new site, if you have any questions, please contact us.
Greetz,
Souza & Mo
*** Threatened ***
Due to our theories and intollerance for bashing and disrespect, we have received some nice posts aka threats plus a lot of bashing comments.
We will post every threat we receive and we will report them. Legal actions will be taken and the IP addresses are saved. We will NOT allow this and every (new) member that will post these kind of threats or bashing comment, will be permanently banned immediately.
It's needless to threaten us, because we won't stop our investigation. Receiving threats makes us only more determed to follow the path we have chosen to walk.
We think Mike would be proud if he sees all these nice posts.....
This forum had a nice atmosphere before the closedown of MJHD and we would like to go back to that. If we have to make decisions that will piss some people off, so be it. If they don't like it or don't trust us, they are free to join www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net. They have, so far, already over 660 posts about "Souza & Mo", so eat your heart out.
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Do you want to end up like Evan Chandler for publishing a blog about Mike/Mind Control & Illuminati?
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by TruthSeekerMaura, Dec 27 2009, 01:53
are you SERIOUSLY SERIOUSLY fucking kidding me.. ARE YOU for real?? after ALL the shit that you went through on the other forum.. Yeah I read your "email" and trust me i am FAR from being off.. Im not going to fight or argue with you. I have the the truth, know the truth and have kept quiet about what I know about you and Souza, but if you are going to try to throw me under the bus for NOTHING , you are out of your fucking mind if you think im going to take that... YOU made very very VERY big mistake
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by jesslovemj, Jan 5 2009, 02:32
hey ugly little nine year old! wanna talk bout my sister like that i swear to u...u have no idea what is coming at u... u never know who u r talkin to the next day we could have found u and be standing at ur door waiting to kill ur ass bitch
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by lmaohahaha » 14 Jan 2010, 23:58
lol oh so you got jokes Souza?
Keep it up. You think that your little NWO/Illuminati blog post was interesting?
After the "truth blog" is posted about you two, you'll be lucky if the smileys are still at this forum. Have your fun and make people feel small for now.
I hope to god that you are ready for the serious karma that you have coming your way.
You got abot 14:59 seconds left of your fame.
Speaking of true colors, the way you disrespect your members is unbelievable. I'm amazed that people are actually in this thread defending you.. But soak it up. They won't be for long
*** New videos - Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control? ***
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Part 5
*** New blog - Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control? ***
This blog is somewhat controversial and shocking and although you might not go with our theory stated in this blog, it is eye opening and will probably make you as mad and sad as we are.
We were contacted by someone who asked us if we wanted to end up like Evan Chandler for publishing a blog about Mike/Mind Control & Illuminati, but since this is just a theory and the net is all over with articles about this topic, we will post it. There are a lot of people trying to keep us hoaxers from the truth by scaring them and telling half truths, but we have thought this out and unfortunately this fits. The twin-theory might have been off, but if this theory turns out to be true, it wasn’t even that far fetched.
Although we are still convinced that Mike is alive, the conclusion we get to at the end of this blog will rip your heart out and throw it into a dark place where it’s not easily found again, so consider yourself warned, it’s not some light reading.
Symbolism in Michael Jackson's Black Panther video
*** Michael Jackson's wake up call ***
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New blog: Debunking “Wacko Jacko” for once and for all!
It has been a while since we posted our last blog, but we have been doing some research. It’s a lot of information, but we advise you to struggle through it all, otherwise it’s hard to understand.
This blog is to all bad reporters of this world, that should be ashamed of themselves. We are not reporters or Michael Jackson fans, and even we took the effort to dig a little deeper to see what can explain all the things in his life that seems strange at first sight. After this post you all will be wondering the same as we: WHY did nobody see this earlier, WHY isn’t there one doctor that recognized it, or if someone did, WHY didn’t they stand up for him. Now we will stand up for him and we hope all you lazy reporters that only write lies just to sell your story will be ashamed of yourselves. We have no medical background and even we could connect the dots by doing some research on the net. All these years Mike has been bashed, called names and belittled because of his actions, appearances or behavior. No one took the effort to take a look at what could have caused all this. After reading a lot of medical articles, this is what we have found and this is what will explain everything. We are not claiming it to be the absolute truth, but after reading this entire blog, we think you will all agree with what we think is the main cause of all Mike’s actions, appearances and illnesses.
So grab your RedBull and take a seat, here we go.
Have you ever heard about Fluoride Poisoning? Read up on it, it will seriously make you anxious to brush your teeth… We had to translate the following article from Dutch, so some mistakes can occur, but you will get the picture after reading it. It may be long and it may look dull, but the info is significant and we really hope you will at least have a look at it. After reading the article it will be easier to keep up with the explanations of Mike’s illnesses and “weird” things.
On June 25, 2009, Michael Jackson collapsed at his rented mansion at 100 North Carolwood Drive in the Holmby Hills district of Los Angeles. Attempts at resuscitating him by his personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray were unsuccessful. Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics received a 911 call at 12:22 p.m. (PDT), arriving three minutes later at Michael Jackson's location. He was reportedly not breathing and CPR was performed. He was treated at his house for 30 minutes, resuscitation efforts continued en route to the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, and for an hour after arriving there at 1:13 p.m. (20:13 UTC). Michael Jackson was pronounced dead at 2:26 p.m. local time. About 4 hours later Jermaine Jackson issues a statement from UCLA on Michael Jackson's death: "My brother, the legendary king of pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, at 2:26 P.M.".
Now...let's take a closer look at these events...as reported by the main stream media.
Around midday Dr. Murray finds Michael Jackson in bed/ sees Michael Jackson collapse in bedroom/ in living room with/without his son Prince. However, he tries to resuscitate him ON THE BED. Every doctor (and almost everyone else on this planet) knows you have to perform CPR on a flat and hard surface. Also his lawyer states Murray found Michael Jackson with a weak pulse, so WTF with the CPR? You don’t perform CPR on a person with a weak pulse!! Finally he waits 45 minutes before calling 911, because he didn't know the address??? He came there by car, driving himself, multiple times a week for a while, and he didn’t know the address? Total time for Michael Jackson without a heartbeat: 30 minutes in the house, 5 minutes before the ambulance arrived, 30 minutes in the house with the paramedics, 5 minutes on the way to the hospital and 1 hour in the hospital. A total of about 2 to 2.5 hours. Then they finally pronounced him dead... When having a cardiac arrest the chances of the patient will reduce by 10% every minute... What were they trying to bring back to life? A vegetable? Then there is that story of Michael Jackson being dead for hours and was already showing rigor mortis. Sure, that is why we can see a healthy color on the face in the ambulance and a popping vain on his forehead.
The 911-call
Michael Jackson's bodyguard “Tippy” Alverez is our 911-caller. He talked to the police 1 time and vanished into thin air. His wife doesn't know when he will be coming back. Why did the 911-guy answering the phone hang up before the paramedics arrived? That is not standard procedure. We bet Alvarez's with Michael Jackson. After all, he is his bodyguard and if Michael Jackson is really alive and kicking, he would need his bodyguard.
Is the 911-call real? It could be a fake. Who tells us the audio really came from the 911? Maybe they have recorded it themselves. If you compare the 911-call with other (real) 911-calls, you hear that in this call the caller sounds very clear, while the 911-guy sounds a bit blurry. With real calls it’s the other way around, so in our opinion it’s fake. Why hang up before the EMT’s have arrived? Not standard procedure.
There are also 4 different versions of the call.
But then why isn't someone from 911 speaking out it was a fake? I think because they know. They know about the project and that's why they keep their mouth shut. Maybe people have been paid, but I don't think so. If you could be a part of this big thing, would you talk? I wouldn't! They don’t have to lie, just stay silent. If the government and DEA are really involved in this to take down the Hollywood doctors, they would have to shut up.
The Ambulance
Why leaving the property backwards? Why not make a turn on the roundabout in front of the house? He had 30 minutes to turn it.
We know why! Otherwise people would have asked why they were driving so slow, with Michael Jackson in the back without a heartbeat? Now they could drive slowly (who would think about the roundabout if you don't know how the house looked like?) so the guy had time enough to make his famous picture.
Rumor has it that Michael Jackson was dead before they got him into the ambulance. That would make sense because of the time his heart was failing already.
But when you look at the 1 and only (in fact there are three different ones) ambulance picture, Michael Jackson looks quite alive. He's frowning, his vain on his forehead is popping up (seems difficult to me when the heart isn't pumping your blood anymore), he has a good color (if he was really in cardiac arrest for almost an hour, he certainly would have turned grey/blue).
The photographer who got the "last photo of Michael Jackson" kind of failed to mention that it wasn’t really the only photo. There were THREE. We've seen all three, and it is clear they are three completely unique photographs.
He also looks too young (around mid-30's). This picture could have been an old one (Michael Jackson had stunts in the past with an ambulance) and it could be a wax doll. Anyway, in our opinion: it's not Michael Jackson anno 2009. BUT we need to believe it's him, that's why there IS a picture.
The guy making it was a friend of Michael Jackson, maybe he made the picture before, with the red car in the window reflecting on purpose. They could have planted the red car on the 25th, so the picture would look real. They can say now "of course the picture is real, look at the red car in the reflection"! If you look at the video, you can clearly see the red car. (They haven't filmed it very steady of course, otherwise you guys would have seen that the ambulance turned the other way, so the car wasn't anywhere near the window!).
Also - WHY is one of the paparazzi standing back across the street to get a clear wide angle shot of the guy who is taking the last photo of Michael Jackson? Iit's almost like a 'proof shot', as in "Hey look, the photo you saw of Michael Jackson dying is totally real, we promise.".
If Michael Jackson was really dying in this ambulance, why isn’t the papparazzi guy across the street trying to move in to make the shot of the century? Is he really that stupid? Or does he feel he's documenting history by getting a shot of the other guy taking the picture?
The hospital/morgue
We don't know much about the hospital. We haven't seen any doctors speaking about it, why are they trying to bring back a guy that has been dead for about 30 minutes minimum? Nobody of UCLA talked to the press, not a word. Why not? Because they haven't seen anything. The dept. was closed before he arrived, only a few people were allowed to get in. Why? Because only few people knew about the project. Look at a part of the transcript from Larry King’s interview with Frank Dileo:
DILEO: I don't know. I said to Randy, geez, I think he's alive. We have a shot here he'll be OK. When the nurse came out and I looked at her and she looked at me, I almost fainted. KING: Because she said — DILEO: She just looked at me and said he's not going to make it. He's gone. But we'll keep working on him until his mother gets here. Question: since when are nurses allowed to make statements like that? I thought that only doctors could. Nurses shouldn't say anything. And WTF, work on a dead body until his mother arrives? hmmmmm...
KING: Who finally told you he was dead? DILEO: That nurse did.
Again, big thing for A NURSE to say, where is the doctor in this story??
Then there is the ride/flight to the morgue. By helicopter, why that? Because it isn’t weird for a helicopter to fly with open doors. A coroners van with the doors open should be looking a lot stranger, don't you think? They wanted us to see the body. We don’t think the 'moving' body moved itself, it was lifted to get it on a small plank to get it out of the helicopter. It looks like it's lifted by one guy with one hand. Michael Jackson isn't very heavy, but we think it’s quite hard to lift a dead body that weighs 60 kilo's. When they get it out of the helicopter into the van, they are lifting it again with one hand by the neck, and drop it on the floor. That's not very professional? No, because they're not professionals! They are actors and haven't got a clue how to handle a dead body! One of the guys didn't even wear gloves. That's a bit strange if you are a professional, because you would know that there is a risk of leaking fluids from the body. Also if you look inside one of those helicopters, the body shouldn’t be positioned by the doors, but more to the front. There is no stretcher there, there are some chars. Strange to put the body on those chairs...
The autopsy/toxic's rapport and Death certificate
1st autopsy: no result back yet, just rumors spread by the media. 2nd autopsy: same story. Toxic's rapport: another mystery. Death certificate: a fake (explained later). Ed Winter is the only one that made a statement from the coroner's office. I think they were informed about the project, same with the LAPD. If you keep delaying and keep saying "I cannot comment on that", there's also nothing to lie about. Just a few words for one of the biggest movies ever made. "We're investigating the death of Mr. Jackson" could also mean: "We're investigating if Mr. Jackson actually did die.". As long as you keep delaying, the focus will be on the case and the story can continue. Ed Winter also seems to gain all the medical records from Michael Jackson himself, and loses them! We're very curious what will be the next thing that will disappear. What we just don't understand is that they did 2 autopsies right after his death, but it lasts a WHOLE MONTH to let them questioning the time of death. We don't get that. Can't they tell by the body-/ liver temperature when a person actually died? If they pronounced him dead at 2.26 and he really would have died before 9.30, wouldn't his body temp be a few degrees lower? So why work on him for an hour?
TMZ reports some results of the autopsy (the first one I guess, since we never heard anything about the second one):
Jackson Autopsy -- Singer Was a Healthy Mess
Posted Oct 1st 2009 12:55PM by TMZ Staff
UPDATE: 1:03 PM ET The Coroner also determined Jackson was actively producing sperm.
More details on the Michael Jackson autopsy. According to a new report, Jackson had osteoarthritis which was visible on his lower spine and fingers.
He had dark tattoos on his eyebrows and around his eyes and a dark tattoo on the front of his scalp -- possibly to cover the permanent scarring from burns suffered in Pepsi mishap.
The report says he was balding and suffered a skin disease. We've previously reported Jackson suffered from vitiligo. His heart was strong but his lungs were inflamed. The report says Jackson's stomach had no obvious signs of pills, nor were illegal drugs or alcohol detected.
The manner of death -- already reported to be a homicide -- was based in part on Propofol administered in a non-hospital setting.
OK, interesting… For someone taking the amount of drugs the are stating in the media, he looks pretty healthy to us … Funny to see we had 3 autopsy results the last 3 months and with every new one, he is getting healthier. So do we have to think this last one is the real one? No! Of course not! Remember: he is not dead ;)
The LAPD
Didn't seal the scene directly, but waited 4 days. In the meanwhile, everybody could get stuff in and out of the house. Also when it would become a “murder investigation”, there will be no case against the doctor, because the evidence is unreliable, it could have been planted. Also they had not made an official statement on the case:
Look at the 1st phrase: “All the reports we’ve read and heard about Michael Jackson’s death, so far: untrue.”
If you search the website of the LAPD for Michael Jackson, you get just articles:
Until now, no new statements by the LAPD and we were told that only 3 investigators are working on the case…yeah right!
July 7, 2009: The Memorial
Wow what a circus. No tears, no close friends (maybe they are with him, as we know that Liz was packing at the moment she heard the news), a lot of acting, clues as we already discussed in many topics, kids bored, everyone on stage looking up to a point at the other side of the centre (Michael's directing room?), a closed casket because Mike's face would have been too damaged from the CPR, while Jermaine said that Michael looked like Michael in the hospital after he died.
And then there is (in our opinion) a live performance of our beloved King of Pop at the end of Will you be there, or at least recorded especially for the memorial. WITH a small mistake in the text, so the real Michael Jackson-fans would notice. Because that's what they want obviously. Why was the Michael JacksonHD website online that fast? The first 2 days we really thought he was dead. Now there is this site where Michael Jackson-fans can talk to each other, figuring out the clues that we were given. Keeping the movie running together with the media.
It has been months since he died, and still there is so much Michael Jackson news every day. Why? Because they want us to keep talking about it! Look at all the clues in the memorial: Berry Gordy and others talking about the "King of entertainment" (look at PT Barnum information at the forums), the new recording of the spoken text of "Will you be there", the lyrics "No more crying when we are going to see the king" and "No more dying pain we are going to see the king" by the gospel choir, Jermaine Jackson ’s oops in "Smile: Light up your face with sadness, hide every trace of gladness" and Michael’s last picture on the screen as the director in Liberian Girl with the text: "I’m alive and I am here forever". It’s a wrap!
Also there is footage of LaToya speaking after the memorial: “I just wanted you all to know that, you have been very, very supportive. And as you well know, Michael loved his fans more than anybody else. He has always said that his family is first and his fans are second. And I know that he is so happy that you’re here supporting him and he’s watching every last one of you. I just want to thank you all for being here for him, he loves you very very much, thank you.” Then there is the Barnum and Baily circus in town, very much of a coincidence again, if you look at the PT Barnum theory.
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Maya Angelou’s poem read by Queen Latifah
Beloveds, now we know that we know nothing, now that our bright and shining star can slip away from our fingertips like a puff of summer wind. Indeed, we know nothing. We only know what we were told by the media. Our bright and shining star CAN slip away, didn’t he slipped away? A more logical phrase would have been: now that our bright and shining star SLIPPED away from our fingertips like a puff of summer wind.
Without notice, our dear love can escape our doting embrace. Sing our songs among the stars and walk our dances across the face of the moon. Again a more logical sentence would be: Without notice, our dear love ESCAPED our doting embrace.
In the instant that Michael is gone, we know nothing. No clocks can tell time. No oceans can rush our tides with the abrupt absence of our treasure. Right! We still don’t know in what bat cave he is hiding And absence? Absence means nothing more than the time interval during which something or somebody is away.
Though we are many, each of us is achingly alone, piercingly alone. Mike and his double(s)?
Only when we confess our confusion can we remember that he was a gift to us and we did have him. Confess confusion and knowing what you had until it’s gone is exactly what is going on at this moment.
He came to us from the creator, trailing creativity in abundance. No one ever realized what eh was capable of. Mike can create anything he wants, even his own ‘death’.
Despite the anguish, his life was sheathed in mother love, family love, and survived and did more than that. A little grammar here: ‘His life’ is the subject of this sentence. What comes next, is applies to the subject. So: His life survived? And it did more than that? Hmmmmm, interesting…
He thrived with passion and compassion, humor and style. We had him whether we know who he was or did not know, he was ours and we were his. Ok, this phrase is actually hilarious. We can make everything bold, but guess you know what we mean here.
We had him, beautiful, delighting our eyes. Better phrase: fooling our eyes or deceiving our eyes??
His hat, aslant over his brow, and took a pose on his toes for all of us. And we laughed and stomped our feet for him. That seems more appropriate for someone like Eddy Murphy or any other standup comedian. Or is she talking about the future here?
We were enchanted with his passion because he held nothing. He gave us all he had been given. He held nothing indeed! He has given his all for 45 years…
Today in Tokyo, beneath the Eiffel Tower, in Ghana’s Black Star Square.
In Johannesburg and Pittsburgh, in Birmingham, Alabama, and Birmingham, England We are missing Michael. ‘Yesterday’ in Tokyo, beneath the Eiffel Tower, in Ghana’s Black Star Square.
In Johannesburg and Pittsburgh, in Birmingham, Alabama, and Birmingham, England
People were bashing and abandoning Michael. Now they are missing him…Don’t it always seem to go that you don’t know what you’ve got ’til it’s gone…
But we do know we had him, and we are the world. Here we had the first moment we disagreed, so we have 2 opinions here:
Souza's: The world had him, the world abandoned him and now that he is absent, we know what we had…
Mo’s: We (on all the hoax-forums) are the world because the media is transparent to us. We see through their lies.
Mo actually once attended ´An Evening with Maya Angelou´ on Friday, November 2, 2001 at Modesto Junior College Gymnasium in California.
Mo knows Maya’s work and thought this poem is not really her style of writing, it´s beautiful but different from her other work. Makes you think if she DID write it at all, or did Mike himself had a hand in it…?
Message of this poem: Be careful with your actions in life and stay close and loyal to your loved ones. Before you know it, they can slip through your fingers and you might have regrets for the rest of your life…
The body
Was missing for 2 months! The burial would take place on August 28 uhh 29 uhh 31, well let’s do it on September 3rd….. He is at the Great Mausoleum where nobody can visit him. Several members of the board have called Forrest Lawn and they all get the same answer. Michael Jackson is not anywhere on Forest Lawn and he has never been anywhere on Forest Lawn.
The media says he was full of needle marks on the autopsy table, bald, missing his nose! Come on, what a BS! Statement of the coroner’s office: nothing of that info is from this office. No, they don’t have a body, so also no info. Again: no lies, just not telling the whole story.
People close to MJ say he didn’t use drugs, then suddenly they say he was. Again: keeping the story alive. I heard that his brains were returned to the family, in a carton box (FedEx or UPS?) But, why remove a whole brain? Not to search for drugs, because you would find that in hair, nails and blood, not in the brain. Also IF they have taken out the brain to examine, they would have cut it in pieces, so why and how return it? Doesn’t make sense at all, again.
September 3, 2009: The funeral
Finally, they found the body, got it a new wig and some astonishing make-up (according to Randy) and the have put him to rest. Well, the whole funeral was hilarious, we ’m sorry to say, but it reminded us and all other hoaxers to one of Mike’s old video clips, this was part 2: Liberian Girl 2009
It’s a shame they didn’t allow us to see what happened after the casket was brought in…
Also there was Larry King Live with some guests, one of them: Dave Dave. You can agree or disagree with me, but we are convinced that Dave Dave is Michael Jackson in disguise:
Also, Chappie helped to compare Michael and Dave Dave:
I took the pic from the Dave Dave on LKL. Because Mo and Souza had a problem because some people were saying that Michaels head is not that size. I don’t add anything to the pictures, just copy en paste it and put in place. I was wondering why Dave Dave on LKL was wearing such big clothes, big tie, and big board. His head looks smaller as it really is. Optical Illusion!
Step 1 – Make the neck fit on Michaels neck.
Step 2 – Copy the eyes and make the same size as the neck when it fits paste. Perfect match!
Step 3 – Copy the rest of the face en paste in place exact size as the eyes. As you can see it when the face in is place that it is a bit bigger on the size then Michaels face but that could be easily explained if it is a Mask.
I also noticed, looking at the Dave Dave LKL that there were some moments that I thought that I had seen that look before. That was from Thriller. So again I copy and paste the eyes and again a perfect match!
Michael Speeddemon. And again…..copy past and a perfect match.
I did the same with the eyes from the real Dave Dave. And none of the eyes fit in Michaels pictures. So keep in mind as you look at the pictures I did only copy and paste pieces out of pictures. No work has been done on the pictures to make them look better or different!
Thank you Chappie!
For many months now we have been trying to figure out why Michael released the Pepsi video. Was it to let us know how he could have gotten addictive to painkillers? That would be a plausible theory, but in my opinion, IF he ever was on drugs, it would have been in the early 90’s, almost 10 years after the accident! And then there is Dave Dave. We all know what happened after Mo and I posted we were convinced (and still are) that that was actually Mike in disguise. The comments were: Why would he do that? Why in disguise as a burn victim? You know the rest… So, what do we have here: 2 (again 2 ) clues about burns, or burn victims. Now what is missing here? Of course! The Michael Jackson Burn Center… I can’t believe I didn’t think of this before! Do you remember where this center is located?
Read this: On January 27, 1984, Michael and other members of the Jacksons filmed a Pepsi Cola commercial, overseen by executive Philip Dusenberry, at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles. In front of a full house of fans during a simulated concert, pyrotechnics accidentally set Jackson’s hair on fire. He suffered second-degree burns to his scalp. Jackson underwent treatment to hide the scars on his scalp, and he also had his third rhinoplasty shortly thereafter. Pepsi settled out of court, and Jackson donated his $ 1.5 million settlement to the Brotman Medical Center in Culver City, California, which now has a “Michael Jackson Burn Center” in honor of his donation.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson
Culver City? Isn’t that were Mike ‘rehearsed’ too? Now look at this article:
The Associated Press has just reported that Michael Jackson wrapped up work on an elaborate video production, just two weeks before his death. Culver Studios, right down the street from the HW Design Inc. offices, was the sight where four different sets were constructed for the shoot. One set was said to be a cemetery, evoking memories of the “Thriller” video. Jackson was reportedly on set from June 1-9 and the project is expected to be completed on July 15.
Now watch the video’s again. First is one of our favorites: Liberian girl 2009
Now to us the background doesn’t match Forrest Lawn. It would better match with Culver City, but we couldn’t find an exact match. No problem, because we should focus on the 4 sets Mike built, this was just a clue we were on the right track IMO. The funeral was staged inside, in Culver City with a greenscreen.
Forrest lawn from above:
The funeral clip, obviously more roads and more trees:
If we look at the stills of the This Is It trailer again, we do find 4 sets…;)
Earth Song
Thriller
Smooth Criminal
And last but not least: The Cemetery!
Watch the lamp in the right upper corner and now look at this video:
So our conclusion is: All footage we have seen in the trailer WITH background or sets, has been filmed in Culver City. We know The Dome project refers to The O2 Arena, because it was once called The Millennium Dome, but maybe it could just refer to this rehearsal stage:
Credit goes to mjtruth at http://mjtruth.wordpress.com for this list. This list is reprinted with permission from the author.
This is the page (which will be updated frequently as mjtruth finds new stuff or think of new stuff), is where they ’ll keep a running list of all the weird shit associated with all this. Some of these weird things will point to one theory, some will point to another. Some of them may contradict based on the fact that not every single piece of info we have may be true. Which is part of why pieces are hard to fit together on this. Some of them are next to meaningless by themselves, but when combined with other things form a pattern. Many posts on this blog will come from exploring one or more of the things from this list:
If any of my facts are wrong, please let mjturth know so they can fix and update the list
In no particular order:
The 911 call didn’t sound overly panicked and Michael Jackson was not mentioned by name. (It’s possible he didn’t mention the name because 911 might think it was a hoax and not respond.)
Some have stated the oldest son discovered the father, but later the Dr. claimed that the reason it took so long to call 911 is that he couldn’t find anyone to make the call. (wouldn’t the son be able to make the call, he is 12 after all.) It took 30 minutes to call 911. Hasn’t Dr. Murray ever heard of a cell phone? (this point gets addressed farther down this list.)
Dr. Conrad Murray, who is supposed to be a cardiologist was doing CPR on the bed. (It’s supposed to be done on a flat hard surface…floor. Murray claimed that it was done on the bed cause MJ was frail, but several people have contradicted the report of MJ being “frail.”)
TMZ, a tabloid media source was the FIRST to report MJ had died. They reported it before the coroner and before Jermaine Jackson made his public statement. (While we’re on the topic, isn’t that weird too? Is it normal for a family member to make a public statement instead of the doctor in charge?)
Though he was taken to the hospital and they tried to revive him for an hour, he was pronounced dead at UCLA. However, despite this, almost no one had any kind of comment regarding it. No official doctor’s statements, no nurses being interviewed, no second cousins of neighboring patients coming out to gawk and report what they saw or heard. The only comments reported was someone who worked there said something strange was going on with regards to MJ, and someone else claimed the fire alarm went off while MJ was there. (In the CNN transcripts they mention the fire alarms in passing.)
Dr. Conrad Murray refused to sign the death certificate. No physician at UCLA in charge would sign either. In fact no UCLA doctor has made any kind of statement confirming the death of Michael Jackson or even that he was on the premises.
Cause of death was listed as “deferred” until after the autopsy. The DC states that it is only valid if signed in purple ink. At the bottom it’s signed in BLUE ink. There are also many irregularities of the document which indicate it possibly isn’t legitimate.
The autopsy results have been held, pending a toxicology report, which was due but is now expected to be two more weeks. (at time of posting this). A total of 3 autopsies have been ordered. One official, one by the family who for some reason wanted their own autopsy performed, and a third reportedly requested by Joe Jackson, MJ’s father. (ETA: Later the autopsy and tox reports have been stated to be delayed “indefinitely.”)
There is, in existence a SINGLE photo of MJ dead (or dying.) Taken by a tabloid reporter through a DARK tinted window of the ambulance. No other photos of him got taken, no photos at the hospital, no photos anywhere. (ETA: Upon further research there appear to be three photos taken in close succession, but how was the photo so clear and not blurred? And why does MJ look so healthy, alive, and young? It looks like it could be a wax dummy from the Ghosts set.)
There were several security cameras at the mansion in LA where MJ collapsed, but there is missing time from them. No video footage of the events in question.
MJ’s personal physician Dr. Tohme claimed MJ had no heart problems, that he danced 4 hours a day and it was more likely that he (Dr. Tohme) would have a heart attack than MJ. (Dr. Tohme was mistakenly reported as MJ’s personal physician, turns out he was his business manager and this point about what he said or didn’t say and whether or not it’s accurate, cannot be confirmed.)
Though there have been several people who have come forward suddenly talking about MJ having a drug problem and them trying to have an intervention for him, many other credible sources have come forward to say the opposite, among them: Mark Lester, and Tom Meserau. Many people at the last rehearsal claimed he was energetic and on top of his game and in no way seemed sickly or drugged. Supposedly family members wanted to have an intervention in 2007. But in 2007 MJ was in Ireland or Bahrain, how would his family know he had a drug problem if he’s halfway across the world? (A commenter here states is was in the US, but I’m really not sure about that.) Further, Jermaine has claimed on Larry King that he was not aware of any kind of drug problem on MJ’s part. If the family was “staging an intervention” wouldn’t Jermaine have been made aware of the situation?
Why are we just now hearing about MJ’s drug problem now? While it is true he had an RX drug dependency in 1993 (because he admitted it in an interview), and he may have had problems with RX drugs at various points and even at the end, why… with all the freaking out about hyperbaric chambers, chimpanzees, plastic surgery etc, did no Tabloid reporter ever think to jump all over the “Wacko Jacko on Drugs” bandwagon?
Why are there contradictory stories about MJ’s health? Some have said he seemed frail and weak. He was underweight. He couldn’t possibly do 50 concerts. Others said he was vibrant, energetic, healthy, on top of his game. And these were all people who had seen him recently.
Is it convenient that AEG just happens to do all this footage, the day before he drops dead?
How does a man with a supposed long-term RX drug problem pass a 4-5 hour physical a few months prior to his death in order to have his concerts insured by Lloyd’s of London? That is something that would show up on a 4-5 hour physical. Either some insurance fraud is going on, or someone isn’t reporting the whole truth regarding MJ and drugs. Or he wasn’t on drugs.
Why did so many of MJ’s longterm friends not show up at the memorial at all, but those who ended up speaking and performing either never met MJ or hadn’t spoken to him in years? (Queen Latifah had never met him, Brooke Shields hadn’t spoken to him in years. Liz Taylor, Mac Culkin, Diana Ross, all declined showing up to name a few.)
While I don’t want to disrespect Liz Taylor, why would she mourn on Twitter only? She couldn’t go to the memorial, but she could tweet about it?
Dr. Conrad Murray fled the scene. He’s supposedly cooperating with investigators, but then he goes back to the bat cave and even tabloid reporters can’t seem to find him.
And just out of curiosity… why does it seem like only one picture of this doctor exists on the planet? Every article I see about him shows the same freaking picture. Now here is a test to try. Go to Google, click the link for “News” Then type: “Dr. Conrad Murray” in parenthesis. To the left there should be an archive. Archives generally go for YEARS, up to ten years or more. But there are only archives for 2009. Did he not exist before then? Whoops! now search his name in parenthesis under images… find me ONE image that isn’t the same exact one. In his entire life he only got his picture made that one time?
Dr. Murray has been described by some patients as a “holistic doctor” who didn’t like to prescribe medications, especially stronger medications like painkillers. If this is true, it’s unlikely MJ would have brought him on board if he was looking for an “enabling doctor.” And it’s unlikely Murray would have enabled him.
Up to a year ago all kinds of crazy tabloid stories were being leaked about MJ’s failing health and all kinds of crazy diseases he supposedly had.
He was visiting a medical center close by several times prior to his death.
A tabloid reporter predicted that MJ had six months to live, and six months later he died. (this is also the same time that the next thing in this list happened.)
Someone called a radio station and hoaxed MJ’s death several months ago. It was reported that the pop star had died, but later this report was retracted. (You can youtube search this. There is a video about it. The hoax even mentions a drug overdose.)
Several long-term and diehard MJ fans have expressed doubt that the person giving the O2 announcement at the London theatre was actually Michael Jackson. Many (including myself on this point) believe that it was an impersonator based on the way he walked (totally unlike MJ), the weird mannerisms and gestures and almost bragging manner (MJ was always humble with his fans, and everybody else, ALWAYS), and his accent is just OFF. This isn’t a matter of voice tone or pitch which alternated with him depending on how shy he was feeling, or if he needed to project his voice, this was ACCENT, totally wrong. Here is the video if you want to judge for yourself. Fast forward to about 4:32 if you want to skip past the advertisement to the MJ announcement. That is totally not MJ. His smile is also wrong.
ETA: I now think it’s possible that MJ was at the O2 but that he was acting weird, talking in a funny accent, and walking like 50 cent on purpose to create controversy. (i.e. he was punking us.)
Dr. Murray’s excuse (delivered in an interview through his attorney, since he vanished into the bat cave), for why he didn’t call 911 sooner is that there was no landline hooked up for some security reason or another. When asked why he didn’t use his cell phone, the attorney said that the doctor didn’t have Michael’s address. Oh really? His attending physician who was at his house didn’t know the address? Well here is a wacky concept: CELL PHONES HAVE GPS. They didn’t NEED him to know the address. Further, he could have just said: “It’s Michael Jackson.” I’m sure someone would have figured it out. It wasn’t like MJ didn’t live practically down the street from UCLA.
How could investigators rule out foul play before they had an autopsy or a tox screen? Isn’t that a little weird and presumptuous? Then they later said they weren’t ruling out homicide. Then they came back and said probably no one will be charged with anything… all of these statements BEFORE the toxicology report came back, which is what they are supposed to be waiting on before making any judgments in these matters.
If Dr. Murray is a cardiologist, and MJ is too weak to move off the bed, why wouldn’t he have had with him and used a defibrillator?
Supposedly MJ insisted on hiring Dr. Murray, a doctor who had treated his sick daughter once in 2006 and apparently the two became friends. MJ claimed he was comfortable with him and wanted AEG to hire him on for the tour. We have no way of knowing if MJ insisted on this doctor or not, since most people hadn’t met him and the people claiming this are AEG and Dr. Murray’s attorney, people who have a vested interest in MJ having a prior friendship with Murray to keep suspicion off them.
Cherilynn Lee went on CNN after MJ’s death to claim that MJ wanted an IV drip of Diprivan to sleep. She was a NUTRITIONIST. Why on EARTH would MJ go to a holistic nutritionist to ask for Diprivan? Or any other drug? She was let go previously. Why would he call someone he hadn’t talked to for 3 months to ask for this drug? If MJ had all these enabling doctors, WHY would he go to this woman he hadn’t spoken to in three months? Not only that, she claims in the interview that MJ didn’t want pills, he wanted an IV. However others have said MJ was afraid of needles. Why would he be chasing needle drugs? She claimed it was important to come out and set the record straight and she didn’t want her 15 minutes of fame. Um, okay. Which is what all former Jackson employees said right before their mouths started flapping bullshit. She also said he owed her money. So why would he call her if he owed her money? She claims in interviews that it’s “not the drugs they’re saying” (Demerol), but it’s Diprivan… on her say so. Well does she need to save the truth of MJ? I mean this is why we have the tox screen going on. It will reveal whatever drugs were going on. On the PLUS side, she portrays MJ as someone absolutely convinced it was safe and that his doctor said it was safe, which isn’t the behavior of a ‘drug addict’ but someone who trusted doctors who lied. (But I find even THAT kind of hard to believe considering MJ read and researched everything.)
Grace Rwaramba refuted claims that she’d said she “pumped MJ’s stomach” from the drugs. She never said this, but the stories circulated everywhere with her name on it soon after MJ’s death.
Dr. Conrad Murray after disappearing off the face of the planet where mysteriously even tabloid reporters can’t find him to snap a candid shot (despite supposedly him surfacing to cooperate with police), hires an attorney. Police repeatedly said Dr. Murray was NOT a suspect, just a witness. Why on earth does a man who is only a witness, hire an attorney? Why does he further have that attorney give interviews in his name and on his behalf, instead of doing interviews himself?
Even though they weren’t giving up on MJ yet (since they worked on him for an hour at the hospital), the ambulance that left his house had no sirens or lights. An ambulance in an emergency medical situation, always has sirens and lights.
During the memorial Kenny Ortega said MJ had been there dancing less than a week ago. But at the memorial MJ had been dead for two weeks. Now clearly this could be him misspeaking, but no stone unturned.
Dr. Murray was slated to accompany MJ to London, but he’s not licensed to practice medicine there.
The LAFD fire chief in an interview with a BBC reporter kept referring to MJ as “the patient” from the 911 call. He refused to name him because of “HIPPA” violations. Well by this time the ENTIRE WORLD knew it was Michael Jackson. There is no harm in him stating “Michael Jackson” but he repeated “the patient” over and over and said he couldn’t even confirm his identity because of HIPPA violations. WTFever. The woman interviewing him also repeatedly said something about them picking up Jackson from the place he was practicing instead of his rented home (which is the official story) and he never corrected her. (Later he did mention Michael Jackson by name in an interview with CNN. HIPPA laws extend into death, so why exactly is he breaking HIPPA now when he was so paranoid about it before?)
In interviews the entire family continues to refer to MJ in present tense. One of the most striking examples is La Toya rolling down her car window and saying something about how they all appreciate the fan support, and Michael does too. Oh does he? What an odd statement to make. Even Paris’ speech at the memorial, moving as it was, is in present tense. “I just wanted to say that ever since I was born, Daddy has been the best daddy you could possibly imagine. And I just want to say that I love him so much.” That’s all present tense. Paris isn’t lying. She also is probably genuinely emotional considering how she worries about her daddy.
AFTER many people, including a site getting a lot of media attention called Michael Jackson Hoax death, whines and complains for weeks about how there only seems to be one photograph of Dr. Murray and no video… only THEN does TMZ and a couple of other places conveniently start to show new photographs and even a video (which there is no way to tell is Dr. Murray at all.) Are they responding to our suspicions? Why are they just now all of a sudden producing a few extra photos and videos? Even so, why are papparazzi not camped out at this man’s house if they know the location? Why don’t get get more photographs and video of him? Does this seem very likely?
Diprivan is not a common drug for recreational drug use. It’s a rather bizarre drug to abuse. Nor is it a drug that makes you feel at all rested (as you dont’ get REM) It is a completely pointless drug for anyone with an “addiction” or “need for sleep” to take. Further, a story has been floating around about how MJ had an anasthesiologist on tour with him years ago. This makes NO sense given what is factually true about these drugs… namely that you CANNOT get rest. he wouldn’t have been able to perform. This sounds to me like another hyperbaric chamber or elephant man bones story. Also, people who take Diprivan long term develop amnesia and motor coordination problems. MJ researched everything,which is probably why he was so into organic foods. Why would he not research something more dangerous he was putting into his body? And why would he put it into his body if it could affect his ability to dance? How could MJ have done the tours where supposedly he was on Diprivan, if he didn’t get rest PLUS was going to have motor coordination problems? Has anyone SEEN MJ dance? It’s not like Ozzy jumping around on stage.
The LAPD didn’t mark the house off as a crime scene and the family was in and out of the house for FOUR days before the LAPD thought “hey maybe we’ve got a crime scene here.” It is said that the family took things out, but they just as easily could have planted things. (such as drugs and such that were later found.) If the family was taking a bunch of things out… why would they leave the drugs in? If they suspected foul play why would they compromise the crime scene?
Dr. Murray’s office and home were only RECENTLY raided, after a MONTH from the death. Shouldn’t that have been done sooner? Won’t all evidence be gone?
Supposedly files were removed from Dr. Murray’s office on the day of MJ’s death 3 hours before the hospital was called, which calls into question how long Dr. Murray waited to call the paramedics… but…
The picture in the ambulance doesn’t look like a long-dead MJ. It doesn’t even look like a dead MJ (he’s got a popping vein in his forehead. You don’t get that on a dead body.) In fact… the MJ in the ambulance doesn’t even look like MJ circa 2009, but rather like MJ circa 1995 which is another time when he had a collapse and was rushed to the doctor. Could the photograph be photoshopped with earlier images not used by the same tabloid reporter?
The tabloid reporter from TMZ who got the “last photo” of Michael Jackson, just happens to be a licensed EMT and wants to quit the paps and go to medical school. That photo sure would pay the way for that.
After the death Joe Jackson in an interview pimped his new record label and said the kids were doing “great.” A little odd, no? How would these kids be doing great? He also claimed Omer Bhatti was MJ’s son and that he knew MJ had a secret son. Omer Bhatti has denied he is MJ’s kid. Even though admitting to such a thing would help his music career. (Omer’s)
TMZ seems to be the first on the scene for EVERY story. They scoop all other major news outlets. Who is feeding them?
There are MANY conflicting reports about MJ’s death. He died in the bedroom, he died in the doctor’s room. Prince witnessed it, not one witnessed it. MJ was already dead when the paramedics got there, MJ was revived and was in a coma, MJ was “worked on” for over an hour, MJ’s body was warm (incidentally a medical fact about cardiac arrest is his body would have been cold), MJ’s body was cold, MJ looked peaceful like he was sleeping, MJ’s face had been battered by CPR (huh?), The casket was closed at the memorial because the face had been battered by CPR… but the kids saw him in the private memorial, he’s been cremated, no he hasn’t, the body is missing, the body hasn’t been released to the family yet, the body has been released, the body is in a secret location, and on and on and on and on. There is not ONE fact about MJ’s “death” that anyone can agree on. (And yes, at this point I”m putting “death” in parenthesis until any two people on the face of the planet can get their story straight.)
On July 6th, 2002 MJ gave a speech that was basically about bringing Sony and especially Tommy Mottolla down, who MJ described as an evil man, the devil, and a racist. (Mottolla reportedly did some scary shit to Mariah Carey his ex-wife.) The very NEXT DAY, July 7th, 2002 is the date of the will that has been brought up as MJ’s will. Clearly the man feared for his life then. Is there any reason to suspect that fear was unfounded or died away? He also believed Sony was in some way involved with the child molestation trial. After all, how could MJ defend his 50% stake in the Sony catalog if he was in prison? (People have claimed MJ was broke, but he made hundreds of millions of dollars a year from his holdings in the Sony catalog. How can he be broke or in debt?)
The custody case is being settled out of court after many delays. (This may or may not have anything to do with anything. But there is a lot of suspicion surrounding the many delays in many areas of this situation.) It’s been reported that the custody to Katherine Jackson is temporary. many believe custody will eventually be transferred over to Rowe. But why would it? If MJ is alive, the custody to Katherine is temporary for obvious reasons.
MJ rehired attorney John Branca three weeks before his “death.” He also rehired several others like Frank Dileo and Karen Faye.
The 911 operator HUNG UP on the caller saying to call back if they needed anymore help. That is 100% against 911 policy. They have to stay on the line until the paramedics get there.
Within a few hours of the cardiac arrest, all of Jackson’s staff was fired. (Why wouldn’t they keep them on for security detail for the house instead of ransacking it and screwing up a possible crime scene?) In fact, most of the staff doesn’t seem to have seen much of anything and firing them would be a good way to keep them FROM seeing anything. They were removed from the premises immediately and then fired very soon after that.
La Toya has been interviewed by Tabloids (for money) where she’s said MJ was murdered and she will reveal by who if the police don’t. Joe and Katherine have also stated they believe there is foul play. Why wouldn’t La Toya just go to the police?
There were no drugs found in MJ’s home until the second search. (after family members have been there.)
Conrad Murray had been Jackson’s doctor for 11 days.
At the end of the memorial: “I’m here and I’m alive forever” flashed on the screen with a picture of MJ. As well as the end picture from Liberian Girl where MJ was directing a video unseen by the participants.
A mysterious source has released the pepsi footage of MJ’s burn accident from 1984. Pepsi is reportedly outraged by the leak. Michael Jackson had the only footage. Who released this footage and why? And oh hey… it supports the drug theory!
TMZ released the 911 call first. How did they get it? They also released the “place with no name” unreleased song clip.
In yet another “contradictory story” MJ’s chef, after a FULL MONTH comes out with her story of the day of MJ’s death. Supposedly Prince was called in to witness the CPR. Now one could say this is very suspicious and maybe Dr. Murray was trying to build a defense showing he tried to save MJ. But… if this kid really witnessed this, wouldn’t he have been traumatized? And is there any evidence he was traumatized at the memorial? And what about Joe Jackson a few days after the death saying the kids were doing “great.” Would Prince be “doing great” if he’d witnessed such a traumatizing scene? So then why is the chef lying about this? To the Associated Press of all places (If you’re going to lie, why not lie to the Tabloids and make money?) On top of all this, we have yet another witness (the chef), saying there was no evidence of MJ abusing RX drugs. hmmmm. So many conflicting stories.
The Michael Jackson Memorial is listed on IMDB.com and not only the singers and speakers but the family and Michael Jackson himself is listed as “Cast” A bit of an odd way to classify it.
When Jermaine sang “Smile” at the memorial, he mixed some lyrics up… instead of “Hide any trace of sadness” he sang “Hide any trace of gladness.” and “light up your face with sadness.” If it’s just a slip of the tongue, then how did he slip on BOTH lyrics? And completely reverse them? This can clearly be heard in the Memorial footage.
This Is It is listed in IMDB for release date October 30th, but the page was created on July 6th, 2009, one day before the memorial. This was before they had supposedly spoken to a judge to get permission to do it, before they’d supposedly sold the rights. The reality is, they moved on this deal IMMEDIATELY when MJ “died.” They did not wait and mourn. The wheels are already set in motion and the deal is already done at least one day before the memorial.
Everyone is speaking of MJ in present tense that is being interviewed. Anyone who didn’t know MJ was dead certainly wouldn’t know it after most of these interviews either.
In the 911 call, the caller says that they are calling from 100 North Carolwood drive, Los Angeles California, 90077. Now if you go to googlemaps and check that out… there is a business at that address called RNA construction. The number listed with it is disconnected.
Remember how none of the friends of MJ, the real close friends, showed up at the memorial? All making excuses about how sad they were or whatever? Quincy Jones couldn’t go because it was so sad after James Brown. Well James Brown died three years ago. I mean come on. Then Macaulay Culkin has been pretty radio silent and didn’t even attend the memorial. He hasn’t even said anything about MJ. (Neither has Oprah.) Culkin’s sister recently died so we could cut him some slack. That’s gotta be tragic… but.. John Hughes… director of Home Alone recently passed, Culkin is paying tribute to him… yet he has pretty much ignored MJ’s death. WHY? That’s a little on the strange side. They were friends for over nearly 20 years.
Kenny Ortega and several of the dancers from the This Is It tour have made bizarre and cryptic comments on their Twitter accounts, obliquely referencing this project after MJ’s death. They are a little too giddy. The dancers still have their contracts (2 year contracts, which indicate whatever was being planned was more than just 50 shows.) The dancers are also under special agreements where they can’t talk about certain things. One of the dancers named Timor, talked about MJ on a dutch television program after the death. He kept speaking about MJ in present tense saying things like: “He loves life” Even the host noticed all this present tense talk, got a puzzled look on his face and asked WHY he was speaking about him in present tense… he said something like MJ was in his heart or something. He also has a twitter account in which he mentions getting on a plane and going to LA and about it being a small step for him, but a big step for the world. Oh really? Don’t you have to be a meglomaniac to think anything you’re doing in LA is a big step for the world? Timor didn’t strike me as a meglomaniac.
During a Larry King Live interview (another one), Jermaine continues to talk about MJ in present tense, saying things like “he reads everything.” Oh really? Does he? It’s been 6 weeks, and Jermaine and everyone else talks about MJ as if he’s still alive. Anyone who didn’t know MJ had died, wouldn’t know it now either.
There was no insurance on MJ with AEG for death supposedly, it was only for non-performance.
MJ supposedly had a 3 million dollar life insurance policy. (Why for so little when Heath Ledgers was for 10 million and MJ is WAY bigger than Heath Ledger. Isn’t 3 million dollars about like a roll of quarters to MJ?) We’ve heard stories in legitimate newspapers that someone let the life insurance lapse… in which case it wouldn’t be paid out. But then we hear other reports that the life insurance has paid out… due to the apparently supernatural powers of Branca and McLain to make it happen. In a situation like this, an insurance company will do everything they can not to have to pay out. There is no way they paid out before things are all settled. Not buying it. Sorry. Not only this, but supposedly the reports where the life insurance was paid is in SEALED court documents that no one can read. IF Life insurance paid 3 million, isn’t it MORE likely the life insurance was just cashed out… the money that was paid into it? You can cash out your life insurance if you’re still alive. And NO insurance company is going to pay out with so many questions swirling around about the death. They have big time attorneys too. John Branca is brilliant, but he wouldn’t intimidate an insurance company.
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